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                    <text>TRANSCRIPT-DIANA SALAZAR-GUZMÁN

Interviewee: DIANA SALAZAR-GUZMÁN
Interviewer: CHRISTIAN MÉRIDA-SPARLING
Interview Date: March 11, 2021
Location: Charleston, SC by Zoom
Length: 32 minutes

CHRISTIAN MÉRIDA-SPARLING: All right. So go ahead and state your
name real quick.

DIANA SALAZAR-GUZMÁN: Okay. My name is-- do you want English
or Spanish?

CMS: Whichever you feel most comfortable with.
DSG: Diana Salazar-Guzmán.
CMS: It's a pleasure to meet you, Ms. Diana Salazar-Guzmán.
DSG: Likewise.
CMS: My question for you is when you were younger what was your like
wake up moment, if you will that you were Mexican-American.

DSG: Oh, wow. There's so many. I think I must've been about 14 and, we
were migrant workers back then and-- I'll never forget for the rest of my life.
When the migracion came and buses and buses and buses to the labor camp,

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‘cause it was huge-- I mean, huge. And if I remember correctly, it was in
Maryland and the buses, they were green. And then I could hear kids screaming,
crying the Chicanos, like my dad and his cousins and others were like, “que
pasa?” and all I could hear was “la migra! la migra! corran! corran!”, you know,
“run, run, run”. And one of them was my uncle that was running. And that was a
moment that I said, well, I am so lucky to be a Chicana. I'm so lucky to be an
American, but so sad to see this. That was an impact for the rest of my life.

CMS: Yeah. I remember hearing that in the interview that you did with
Dr. Taylor and I was really moved by that story. I mean, I haven't ever been in
that position to see that, but I can imagine how difficult that would be to process.
And so thank you for sharing that. My other question for you is what to you is the
difference between being like Mexican American and being Chicana? Is it strictly
just being American?

DSG: What's the difference for me? The difference for me being a
Chicana and not being a hundred percent Mexican is because I was born here. I
was raised by Chicanos. My grandma crossed here-- give me one second. So I
consider myself a Chicana because like I said, my great-grandmother came here
about 130 years ago from México. But we've kept our culture, but I'm not 100
percent mexicana because I'm a US citizen and born here and my parents, my
grandparents. So I can't say, you know, I can't argue that point. No, soy mexicana.
Depends on where I'm at. Depends where I'm at, you know, and who asks. I
remember one story, that I went to represent South Carolinians, mexicanos, and

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México. And I sat as un diputado-- a diputado is a house member-- and I said,
“Pepe!” We all got together to have some drinks after a big meeting. And I said,
“Pepe, I want to become Mexican. Help me become a Mexican.” “Really,
Diana?” And I'm like “Yeah, Pepe, you got the power, you got connections in
México. Help me! Help me become legal” And he's like “Tas’ loca!” And I'm like
“No, I'm not loca, I'm being serious.” He’s como el puro, ya know? He's an older
guy. “You're already Mexican. Look what you do for your people. Look at your
name, look at, look at what you're doing.” That was 2007. That was a long time
ago. And I was like, “Yeah, but I just want that little piece of paper.” He says
“Yeah, so do my people! They want that piece of paper [of] America.” So that
was an interesting conversation with him. So I think I consider myself a Chicana,
but like I said, depends who asked me. I might be a mexicana with light skin and
hazel eyes.

CMS: So a question about being Chicana. I know that typically when it
comes to conversations about Chicano history, when you look at the Plan de
Aztlán, it's tied to the Southwest, right? But your experience is different. Like
you're a Chicana woman, but you're from the South. So when you were trying to
create that formation what was like your rationalization to that? Like, did you see
regionality as a tie in the conversation at all?

DSG: No. No, it really didn't. It's like saying. Let me see. My dad didn’t
raise us like that with regions or anything, you know. Now he was very proud of
being Texan. Him and my mom to the death. And so I guess I can only say I'm

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proud to be a Florida girl. I was born in Florida. I'm a Gator fan too, a la muerte,
but we weren't raised like regions. We were raised like we're all the same. We're
all in the struggle. Being migrant workers, being Latina, mujeres, being Latino
hombres, just being a familia, it's a struggle. In 1964 when I was a baby-- now
you know my age--1964, when they were migrant workers, mom and dad, they
came to Charleston. And my dad, he was kind of educated, of course, and he
didn't pursue his education because of his stepfather. But my dad and mom and I,
they went to a restaurant in downtown Charleston and they were told to sit with
the blacks. Now my dad was a white Mexican. My mom had a nice tan with black
hair, pero mi papá era blanco. That's why I got his color in his eyes. But, so we
weren't raised that way. Especially my dad experiencing that. We weren't raised,
you know, que regiones y que somos de aquí. Something like that. No, no, we're
all the same. We’re all in the struggle if that helps it.

CMS: So with that in mind, you mentioned in the last interview too, that
your father was pretty involved in El Movimiento, and you also mentioned in
passing that he knew César Chávez. I'm curious to know if you are aware of any
stories of him, and César.

DSG: You know, I didn't push it. I don't know why. Now, I wish I did
because he passed away three years ago. I wish he did because my dad was my
best friend, my buddy, my drinking buddy, you know, we talk about my mom, my
sisters, he was just everything to me. My dad was my friend and my daddy too.
So I wish I could ask him. But he did mention that when he came to Homestead,

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because in Homestead, there's a lot of agriculture. And he did say he was with
him and in las huelgas and organizing and putting out flyers and, you know,
talking to La Raza. But that's basically what he said. You know, he was there with
him. And he said he was at awes when he was able to be there because he said he
really respected the man. And he was very, very intelligent. And my dad-- I
always told my dad-- that “you're intelligent too”. My dad was an avid reader for
James Patterson books. He could read them four times and he would (be) happy
as hell. But going back to your question, we were not in regions. We were as a
struggle, unidos y todos.
CMS: So what stories do you remember of your father in the Movimiento?
DSG: I saw more with me when I said “Dad, I've been asked if I can do
something,” this was 2004, if I'm correct. I said that they're asking me to make
them la marcha, and I don't know anything about marching. And now by that
time, I worked for eight senators and 13 house members. I was the first latina
notaría. So I was like, “I'm working in politics. I don't know anything about that
side of the world.” He says “Call your cousin in Chicago. They're arranging las
marchas. My cousin [Rudy Lozano] just got murdered a few years ago. “Call her”
and I did. I picked up the phone and I said “Hey prima, I need your help. Let's do
this.” And sure enough, before I knew it, we had maybe 25 people en la marcha
and before we knew we had over 3000 people at Marion square, downtown
Charleston, pura raza, all kinds. So, I saw that in my dad. He loved it. He enjoyed
it. He was proud of me. So I guess it was in our blood and I just didn't know it
until I got the calling, as they say. So my dad really enjoyed it, and he would

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guide me. And I remember when I became single after that, and my dad said, “If
you're going to be in it, be in it 100 percent. Don't be going out for lunch with
men. Don't be going out for dinner with men.” And I'm like “Why not?” He says,
“Because they're going to misunderstand it. They're going to come after you.” So
he was, he was really good about everything. When it came to books, keeping
track, he was actually my secretary. He was! And he would tell me también,
“You're getting powerful. You're getting to know people, pero, don't go out
because people are going to misunderstand it. You're not the normal Diana
anymore. People can misunderstand that. You're single, and they think you're
going to be more than just a single person.” So Dad helped me with, with the
flyers. Dad helped me with my Spanish, ‘cause it wasn't that good, ‘cause we're
bilingual at home. So, he would just tell me, “Keep it cool, keep composure. Let
all those bachelors”-- cause he was bilingual now, I'm telling you he was
bilingual, he says-- “Son bola de cabrones. You don't listen, you just stay focused,
y te van a respetar”. Like I said, he was my drinking buddy too. And I would say,
“Dad let's have a beer outside”. He said, “Okay, cool. Let's do it.” And I would
say “Dad, ¿porque los hombres no me respetan? they’re always talking about
me”. He says “‘Cause son bolas de cabrones por eso. Te tienen celos.” So by the
third time I told Daddy, “Daddy, I wish I was born a man, then they would
probably respect me”. He says, “No, you probably won't be doing it.” And he
said, “But if you would, I'd probably be taking your ass out of jail.” And I'm like,
“Why would you be taking me out of jail, Dad? I've never been in jail.” He says,
“no pero la boca que tienes si fueras hombre estarías en la cárcel.” I was like,

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okay, I'm glad I'm a girl. And I've never, never disputed that, never again. De la
verdad, mi papá me dio muchos maneras. Consejos y consejos y me dio muchas
ejemplos, y las marchas. After las marchas, you know my mom and dad were
kind of old. They would go with me all the way to Washington. They went with
me three or four times. That was a twelve, fourteen hours’ drive. I don't know
sometimes. But they would go and they would march with me with the banderas.
Yeah, they saw Tigres del Norte with me in Washington, DC for free. I could go
on and on, guy. You got the wrong girl. (Laughs)

CMS: Or maybe the right one because you have enough to share. But with
that said, you touched on that day in the Marion Square and I was wondering if
you have any particular memory that really sticks out whenever you think back to
that day.

DSG: Yes. Yes I do. So we had one Hispanic radio station right here in
North Charleston and I kept calling him, calling him and I knew them. I got my
people, La Raza, I said, “Hey, hablen ustedes cabrones que ponen en el radio, que
ponen en el radio” they got to put it out there. Cause it wouldn't, that would not
advertise that we're having a marcha. And these guys are Mexican! Mexicano
mexicanos! And they were DJs. So they show up because I guess their own
friends were calling him. I don't know. But they showed up at the marcha, right?
And they show up there and they saw all these news reporters. We had news
reporters everywhere, everywhere. They show up and he said, “¡Hola Diana!
¿Cómo estás? Hi chaparro ¿Te puedo hacer una entrevista?” I'm like “Really

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dude? Y porque me ves así? Dije cabrón, te acabamos de hablar de no le ponemos
en las noticias” “Hey, tranquila, calmate” and I said “No! This is your people
more than mine. ¡Usted es mexicanos es de Monterrey! Yo no, soy de acá” Me
dijo “Hay un Díos, y Díos me enseño a tener la paz y te voy a dar una entrevista.”
I was boiling. Oh, I was boiling. So I remember my dad, so I'm going to keep my
composure. So those were one of those days. So that's one thing I have a memory
of. The other one is the amount of people who showed up. Oh my God. And then
my Spanglish. So I had one of my members on my seven committee-- they only
have seven people there. She was behind me. She was from Panamá, but very
Catholic, did everything for the Catholic church. So I told her “Doña
Marthita”[Martha McCraig]-- and she's still alive. She's in her eighties. I said
“pararse atrás de mí, y yo pronuncio una palabra, que no son correcto, usted me
educa, y usted me dice al oído”. “Claro que sí, claro, claro” and she did, and I
would kind of repeat things. That's another one. The other one is the amount of
people. I remember having people that dance and spoke and everything. I got off
la tirimba-- the stage-- went and stood behind a speaker. So my dad saw me. He
was keeping an eye on me I remember, almost like a bodyguard, no? And he
comes from behind me and he says, “yo OK” And I started crying. I said-- I think
I'm going to cry now-- “There are so many people here.” And he said, “You did it.
No one can take credit for this. Jamas.” And I said “I really thought maybe,
maybe 50, 70 people,” because we didn't have that support system. I don't even
think we had Facebook at the time. And he said, “Well, you're a mover and a
shaker, mija. You just didn't really realize until now”. And I said, “yeah”. So

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that's, that's one impact about the marcha, the amount of people that care. And
there's this I'm going to be-- I wanna watch my mouth-- but there's a politician
here. Yes. A politician, le dice a las otros politicians, quiénes son mis amigos, y
les dice “She didn't bring all those people there. She probably brought them from
Myrtle Beach, Greenville, local areas. There's no way we got that many Latinos
here.” ¿Tú crees? I bet today. He's probably saying “Damn!” So things like that.
Those are memorable. The good and the bad.

CMS: That's a pretty bold stance to take, honestly, because there's a
handful around.

DSG: Yeah. So that's one of a couple of things to share.

CMS: Something that didn't come up very much in the other interview
was your children. I'm curious to hear when you were raising them and they were
beginning to come into high school, how did that talk about identity look then?
Like how did the Chicano conversation happen in home?

DSG: It doesn't. I don't know how you were raised, but we're raised
Latinas. I was a mother and a father for six years because I became single after
the marchas and all that. I left my son's father-- he was only four-- because he
didn't approve. He was from Jalisco. Machista. So he didn't approve of this. So
about a year or so I left and I don't regret it. I don't. It was great. But we didn't
have to talk about the Chicano power and stuff like that. We really didn't because
they were living it. What do you have to explain if they live it? They went to

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marchas. They went to churches. They went to outdoor events. They even put out
flyers. My son was learning how to do videos for me, and he was only, at that
time, maybe ten. So, my cousin Emma Lozano-- you might want to talk to her one
day. She's powerful. You're talking about powerful? So Emma would fly or drive
with her two here with us when we had a lot of arrests being made, so many
arrests left and right. And I remember she drove in, in a nice, huge black Cadillac
or Chevy. It was beautiful. Like a Yukon, grandota negra, pero nueva. The
windows are tinted because in Chicago you can. And we're on the way to meet a
group of members at church or a lot of members at church because you're being
arrested, left and right about an hour away from me. An hour away from me!
That's not even my district or area, but I represent South Carolina and her guy, el
chofer es un Chicano-- tattoos all over-- bodyguard de ella. And we get pulled
over and this white, six footer, double breasted vest and the guy lowers his
window down and says, “Hey, how you doing?” He says as a police officer, “So
where are you guys going? You touched that line too much.” I said, “Well, I
mean, I was on her phone.” “Well, you're not supposed to be on the phone.” “But
I've got two ladies. I'm taking them for a meeting.” We already knew about this
guy. And he said, “Well, where are you taking them?” “She’s from Charleston.
She's an activist for migration, right? And that one's powerful too. We're coming
in from Chicago to back her up.” “Oh, okay. Well just be careful. Don't be
touching those white and yellow lines just don't be doing that. Okay? Because we
all got the same blood: it's red.” He said, “Okay, I'll try to be careful next time.”
Mentiroso! He was one of the arrestando people from church outside on the

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street! We're all the same blood. So for some people you don't tell your kids, you
don't raise your kids somos Chicanos, or anything. They already know; they live
with us.

CMS: That's, that's pretty cool. Personally, it was a conversation that
happened more in my household and trying to figure that out. So it's interesting to
hear that different perspective a little bit. So thank you for sharing that. So you
obviously, you've been in South Carolina longer than I have and you've seen the
community grow in a way that I wouldn't have. How would you describe some of
the growth and some of the change in the Latino population here?

DSG: Well, I've worked for the Census Bureau. I was the only Hispanic
woman that had twenty-three counties from here all the way up to Greenville,
South Carolina. You guys gotta go to Greenville, it’s beautiful out there, by the
way. It has grown tremendously. Tremendously! And people aren't picking
tomatoes anymore! People aren't picking naranjas y cucumbers. I don't know if
your parents did, but there was an era, fifteen years ago, people were still doing it.
Twenty years ago, people were still doing it. Ya no. People are settling in. If
they're not renting, they're buying. We got so many! Before I spoke to you, I was
in a democratic, conversation with a woman. We need more Latinas. We need
more Latina faces to vote. And men. But it has grown tremendously because
we've had so many babies! It’s true! You know that! So maybe not as much as
my generation, but we still have continuation of traveling. Migrant folks, even
now at the border and they continue making babies. So, we'll be the minority that

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will be the majority, but not the minority. You'll see that change. Es que semos
tantos. Semos tantos que people are just adapting to us as well in our culture, even
though we're Americanized, even though we might be Anglos and Americanos,
because we sometimes cross that line, and that's okay, but we still have got to be
proud of who we are, where we come from. I don't care if it's been 150 years, or
like myself, 130 years. That doesn't matter. La cara nopal la tienes aquí. La piel
dice todo. Why try to be what we're not? Yeah, I’m proud of being an American,
but don't ever forget your blood and your roots. That identifies who you are.

CMS: So I'm interested to hear you explain a little more about how you
feel that Latinos-- and perhaps even yourself-- cross the line a little bit into being
more Anglo.
DSG: I’ll give an example. I used to have an office in 2004-- uh, yeah,
2000, maybe 2005. I don't remember-- when I left my son's father, and I had my
own despacho oficina, and se llamaba “Diana Salazar, la notaría” ‘cause no tenían
muchas. I had this man come in from, I don't know, Guatemala or México, short
little guy and he says, “Señora”, this and this and this. “Okay. Okay”. Le di
consejos lo que sea. Se baja un niño pretito. Pretito con pelo parados.“Hey dad,
I'm getting hot. You need to come and turn on the car. We’re going to go home
because it’s too hot.” He must have been about ten. And he says, “Okay, okay,
wait, wait.” He said, “Well hurry up Pa! It’s too hot” And I'm like, What did I just
see? So I'll make it short. “So ¿el niño habla español?” “No! No, no no, señora!.”
I’m going ¿por qué no? I was like, “dude, you're about to walk into a wall right

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now.” Le dijo, “¿Por qué no?” Él dice “Porque es americano. Él nació aquí.
¿Nosotros? No, pero él sí.” Dude. I’ll never forget this story. Le digo mire don, le
está haciendo un daño a ese niño. “No doña, es que es americano.” Yo dije “No
don, porque es nacido aquí no le quite el privilegio de ser orgulloso de su sangre.
Por que acuérdese el cara de nopal y ser Sánchez o Ramírez o Salazar, cualquier
gabacho viene y le dice no eres gabacho, eres cara de nopal porque así juzgan. Si
juzgan a un moreno, y nos van a juzgar a nosotros. Si me recuerdas, que ganaron
educación esplendida que hablen mejor en inglés. Pues en el español es el orgullo
de quién es, porque toma la larga y no es gabacho, es el papel, el es mexicano,
guatemalteco, lo que ser.” “No lo había pensado así señora. Siga. Por qué especial
la voz va a ser más gabacho usted.”

CMS: Cuando yo era más niño, para mi padre, Spanish was kinda like that
for him también por que no quiso a platicar conmigo por eso. He just felt it would
make my life too difficult in some ways. So it's interesting. ‘Cause you see that
pop up sometimes.

DSG: Yeah. So do you think your dad regrets not teaching you?
CMS: It's tough to say. I think that it's funny, ‘cause sometimes he's like,
“Oh, well you speak great Spanish”, but that’s as far as the conversation goes.

DSG: Does he speak Spanish todo día?
CMS: Casi cada día, pero no quiso platicar conmigo. Alright, so a
question that, so you kind of touched on it already, but I'm still kind of curious to

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hear, there's been a kind of a rift historically between immigrant communities and
Chicanos and kind of like something that I experienced quite a bit in Denver. You
kind of have like your group of Chicanos that are like pro immigrant, like come
on, we gotta do everything we can to support them. And on the other hand you
have sort of like I'll vote for Trump and have discussion. I'm kind of curious to
hear how in your work have you tried to bridge that gap with Latinos?

DSG: I haven't. I have family members who are Trumpers, so honestly I
haven't and I won't. It's like talking about religion. No vas a ganar. That's what
makes America what it does. So honestly, you just gotta go with the flow
sometimes. So when it comes to religion and politics, no, because you know, you
got family members, Pentacostales, Evangelistas, Cátolicos, Virgen de
Guadealupes, otro no son. So you know, se respeta y el mundo que siga. A la
larga, es el mismo Díos. Las políticas todas van a tratar a salir adelante. Todos
van a elegir el uno esta mejor que el otro. So, la verdad, I don't get into that
because mi trabajo es ayudar al pobre. I love to do that. Me gusta conseguir
comida, me gusta conseguir ropa, buscarles casas si necesitan. Me encanta los
pobres. Allí está my alma. Me encanta ayudar los que necesite: los niños, los
padres, las mamas solteras. If I need to buy a Christmas tree, Christmas balls,
whatever, allí es son. I try to raise money within the people that have money.
They help me. My friends help me. We buy things for the needy. I do
quinceañeras. I don't know if you knew that-- but I do quinceañeras once a year
for girls que llegan aquí without parents, abuelitas o tíos, and that is the biggest
satisfaction. You should see my quinceañeras. They're so pretty.

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CMS: I've seen some of the photos. I was actually hoping to ask to see if
that was still in the cards for planning this year.

DSG: I'm hoping, I'm hoping, but with the COVID we don't know yet. But
honestly, that is my once a year project high.

CMS: So in your time in South Carolina, something that has just become,
like, not to say that they haven't existed, but they've, it's a practice that's propped
up a lot more, but ICE detention is something that has become a lot more
prominent in the last ten years or so. How would you describe it that has had an
impact on your work here in Charleston?

DSG: Well, it used to be very difficult. I had access to the jail, and I had
access to see the inmates. I was able to help quite a few people get out with no
attorney fees, which was awesome. I'll never forget this one; I was able to help
my dad who had two children and he was a single dad. They released him. En mi
altar-- soy Católica, so tengo un altar-- hay tengo un Virgen de Guadalupe, it’s a
card. A thank you card with their signatures and stuff. A thank you card with
their signatures and stuff. But now we have my new friend, Americana sheriff
Kristin [Graziano]. She came over and had tacos here with us at my house. And,
thanks to her, we stopped that here in Charleston. Thanks to her, we no longer
have to deal with immigration.

CMS: That's a really good thing because I mean, in, in Denver, it's a
really, it's a really, really big thing for sure.

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DSG: Well, these police officers don't seem to understand. You're not just
arresting a man. You're arresting a dad, a father, a grandfather, a brother, un tío,
because the light’s not working? Because they touched a yellow line? It even
happened to my husband. He was touching the yellow line. I'm not kidding. We're
going to go on our first date and they arrested him. So it was, it was hard quite a
few years ago. It was so hard. There were arresting people left and right. And I
was advocating and making protests. I said, God, you guys don't understand.
You're not just separating a man: you're separating a father, separating
somebody's son, somebody's uncle, somebody's provider. Somebody’s provider
that sends home enviando para Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and México.
Give me a break. Cómo dice Trump, they are animals. Well, he's far from, from
that spectrum. They're not animals. You're human beings trying to survive, trying
to better provide for their children. So just glad the new sheriff has stopped it.
That is awesome.
CMS: One-step in the right direction.

DSG: Agree. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. I'm so happy.

CMS: So with that in mind, I'm curious to, to hear, I mean, there's been
like, there's been a lot of change in eight years, even though it's only eight years.
But with that being said, you mentioned in the interview with Dr. Taylor, that you
were looking forward to the day you felt was coming, that we could anticipate a
Latinx president. Do you still feel that that is the case?

DSG: Oh, yes! Oh, yes! I'm not kidding. We'll be the majority. We're very

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close. I'll give an example. I worked for Governor Bill Richardson-López from
New Mexico. He is half mexicano and half Anglo. He looks so mexicano! He's
dark skin! The guy has dark skin jet black hair, six’, three”. But with me, I was
his Latino coordinator for the state of South Carolina, always ‘Buenos días,
Diana. ¿Cómo está?’ Talking about enjoying to work for someone! That man
made me very, very proud to be a part of his team. Very proud. If he got this
close, we just ran out of money. Look at the twins up from Texas. What is his
name?

CMS: Julián and Joaquín [Castro].

DSG: Yeah, there you go! We're getting close. We're getting close, but it's
going to happen.

CMS: Well, that's all the questions that I have for you at the moment.
Thank you very much for meeting with me. It was, uh, it was a pleasure to--

END OF INTERVIEW
Transcribed by Christian Mérida-Sparling, 3/29/2021
MLL 04/29/2021

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